1 00:00:05,220 --> 00:00:06,960 {\an1} (male announcer) In the criminal justice system, 2 00:00:07,030 --> 00:00:09,390 {\an1}the people are represented by two separate 3 00:00:09,430 --> 00:00:11,060 {\an1}yet equally important groups-- 4 00:00:11,100 --> 00:00:12,970 {\an1} the police who investigate crime 5 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:15,830 {\an1}and the district attorneys who prosecute the offenders. 6 00:00:15,870 --> 00:00:17,470 {\an1}These are their stories. 7 00:00:18,870 --> 00:00:21,270 {\an1} (Paul) Debbie, I don't wanna get into it with you right now. 8 00:00:21,310 --> 00:00:23,910 {\an1}I called for Katie. 9 00:00:23,940 --> 00:00:26,780 {\an1} I got a right to talk to her, Deb. 10 00:00:26,810 --> 00:00:29,350 {\an1}She's my daughter too. 11 00:00:29,380 --> 00:00:31,650 {\an1}No, I am not drunk right now. 12 00:00:33,250 --> 00:00:35,690 {\an1}Oh, listen. Would you-- 13 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:38,190 {\an1}Would you shut up for a second? 14 00:00:39,620 --> 00:00:42,460 {\an1} This is the last time I'm gonna talk to her, okay? 15 00:00:42,490 --> 00:00:45,430 {\an1} All I want to do is say good night to my kid, 16 00:00:45,460 --> 00:00:47,100 {\an1}all right? 17 00:00:49,300 --> 00:00:51,640 {\an1}I'm in hell already! 18 00:01:16,490 --> 00:01:18,630 {\an1}(Fire Marshal Woods) New redemption. Another church. 19 00:01:18,660 --> 00:01:20,870 {\an1} (Cassady) That's, what, four churches in a week? 20 00:01:20,900 --> 00:01:22,300 {\an1} (Woods) This makes five. 21 00:01:22,330 --> 00:01:23,470 {\an1}(Green) Who called it in? 22 00:01:23,500 --> 00:01:24,770 {\an1} Guy staying at the fleabag next door. 23 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:27,040 {\an1}Says he didn't see anyone leaving the scene. 24 00:01:27,070 --> 00:01:29,110 {\an1}(Cassady) We're gonna need to speak to him. 25 00:01:29,140 --> 00:01:30,710 {\an1} He's in Bellevue for smoke inhalation. 26 00:01:30,740 --> 00:01:33,350 {\an1}Helped evac the hotel after he called 911. 27 00:01:33,380 --> 00:01:34,680 {\an1}What time was the call? 28 00:01:34,710 --> 00:01:35,950 {\an1}Right after 11:00. 29 00:01:35,980 --> 00:01:37,550 {\an1}Fire must have started just before. 30 00:01:37,580 --> 00:01:39,180 {\an1}Wood pews, old carpet. 31 00:01:39,220 --> 00:01:41,390 {\an1} With an accelerant, the place went up real fast. 32 00:01:41,420 --> 00:01:42,720 {\an1}Just like the other ones. 33 00:01:42,750 --> 00:01:45,790 {\an1}Except this time our fire bug graduated to murder. 34 00:01:45,820 --> 00:01:46,830 {\an1}What you got, man? 35 00:01:46,860 --> 00:01:48,530 {\an1}(Assistant M.E. Sharlett) Not much. 36 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:49,960 {\an1}Apparent male victim. Crispy critter. 37 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:51,600 {\an1} (Cassady) Looks like he put up a fight. 38 00:01:51,630 --> 00:01:53,370 {\an1}Well, that's called a pugilistic attitude. 39 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:55,070 {\an1}The heat contracts the arm muscles. 40 00:01:55,100 --> 00:01:56,130 {\an1}It's typical. 41 00:01:56,170 --> 00:01:57,100 {\an1}Did you get an I.D.? 42 00:01:57,140 --> 00:01:59,140 {\an1}His wallet melted into a hockey puck. 43 00:01:59,170 --> 00:02:02,410 {\an1}With his hands that cooked, prints are a long shot. 44 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:03,880 {\an1} Might get lucky with dental records. 45 00:02:03,910 --> 00:02:05,210 {\an1}Fire was the cause of death? 46 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:06,580 {\an1}It's too soon to tell. 47 00:02:06,610 --> 00:02:07,950 {\an1}We'll know more when we get him on the table. 48 00:02:07,980 --> 00:02:09,980 {\an1}Thanks. 49 00:02:10,020 --> 00:02:12,150 {\an1} Imagine our victim saying his Hail Marys, 50 00:02:12,180 --> 00:02:13,720 {\an1}and the place goes up. 51 00:02:13,750 --> 00:02:17,520 {\an1}Or he saw somebody pouring gas on the altar and got caught. 52 00:02:19,920 --> 00:02:22,260 {\an1}Whoever did this is gonna burn too. 53 00:02:29,700 --> 00:02:31,100 {\an1}five points of origin at least, 54 00:02:31,140 --> 00:02:32,270 {\an1} including where the body dropped. 55 00:02:32,300 --> 00:02:33,500 {\an1}You can still smell the accelerant. 56 00:02:33,540 --> 00:02:35,370 {\an1}(Green) Do you know what the accelerant was? 57 00:02:35,410 --> 00:02:36,510 {\an1}Not till we run the labs. 58 00:02:36,540 --> 00:02:39,110 {\an1} Pretty intense blaze. Probably gasoline. 59 00:02:39,140 --> 00:02:40,380 {\an1}So other than our victim here, 60 00:02:40,410 --> 00:02:42,850 {\an1}all these church burnings had the same M.O. 61 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:45,720 {\an1}Forcible entry with a gasoline fire in the sanctuary. 62 00:02:45,750 --> 00:02:47,090 {\an1}And this one? 63 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:48,350 {\an1} Looks the same so far. 64 00:02:48,390 --> 00:02:49,550 {\an1}The caretaker of the church 65 00:02:49,590 --> 00:02:51,460 {\an1}said that when he locked up at 10:30, it was empty. 66 00:02:51,490 --> 00:02:53,790 {\an1}So maybe our DOA is the arsonist? 67 00:02:53,830 --> 00:02:55,190 {\an1}One of 'em, at least. 68 00:02:55,230 --> 00:02:56,260 {\an1}We're looking at multiple suspects. 69 00:02:56,290 --> 00:02:57,230 {\an1}We pulled this off 70 00:02:57,260 --> 00:02:59,500 {\an1} a pole camera near the third fire. 71 00:02:59,530 --> 00:03:02,500 {\an1} Trinity Lutheran in Washington Heights. 72 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:06,240 {\an1} Our victim could be either one of these dudes. 73 00:03:06,270 --> 00:03:08,210 {\an1} We also have a witness from the first fire 74 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:10,810 {\an1}who thinks she saw a black SUV fleeing the scene. 75 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:13,110 {\an1} No plate, but it had a dented front left fender 76 00:03:13,140 --> 00:03:15,450 {\an1} and some kind of bumper sticker on the tail. 77 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:17,650 {\an1}Well, the commissioner's doing a press conference at noon. 78 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:20,350 {\an1}Let's put this out there and see if any tips come in. 79 00:03:20,390 --> 00:03:22,750 {\an1}Sure. I'll keep you apprised of any progress on our end. 80 00:03:22,790 --> 00:03:23,760 {\an1}Excellent. 81 00:03:23,790 --> 00:03:26,360 {\an1}Hey, Lieu, canvass is a bust so far. 82 00:03:26,390 --> 00:03:28,330 {\an1} 911 caller saw nothing but flames. 83 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:29,490 {\an1}And others I talked to 84 00:03:29,530 --> 00:03:31,560 {\an1} said the block gets pretty quiet after 10:00. 85 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:32,660 {\an1}Streets are empty. 86 00:03:32,700 --> 00:03:34,600 {\an1} Well, let's get Rodgers to make a quick I.D. 87 00:03:34,630 --> 00:03:35,830 {\an1}We can start from there. 88 00:03:35,870 --> 00:03:37,100 {\an1}All right, in the meantime, 89 00:03:37,140 --> 00:03:40,170 {\an1}see if these churches have anything in common. 90 00:03:42,940 --> 00:03:45,180 {\an1} (Pastor Shea) Religion is under attack in this country. 91 00:03:45,210 --> 00:03:47,180 {\an1}The war on Christmas, gay marriage-- 92 00:03:47,210 --> 00:03:49,550 {\an1} Look, I can understand your frustration, Pastor, but-- 93 00:03:49,580 --> 00:03:50,780 {\an1}Don't dismiss it. 94 00:03:50,820 --> 00:03:53,080 {\an1}They've already removed prayer from our schools. 95 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:55,220 {\an1}The Ten Commandments are gone from our courthouses. 96 00:03:55,250 --> 00:03:57,620 {\an1}Burning churches is the inevitable next step. 97 00:03:57,660 --> 00:03:59,490 {\an1}Okay, right now we need to focus 98 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:01,790 {\an1} on catching the people that set this fire. 99 00:04:01,830 --> 00:04:04,700 {\an1}So do you recognize either of them? 100 00:04:04,730 --> 00:04:08,400 {\an1} No. But we had a lot of people here last night. 101 00:04:08,430 --> 00:04:10,800 {\an1}We weren't aware that there was a service last night. 102 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:12,670 {\an1}We hosted a basketball game against Christian Path Academy. 103 00:04:12,700 --> 00:04:14,470 {\an1} (Cassady) What time did that end? 104 00:04:14,510 --> 00:04:15,940 {\an1}Everyone was gone by 9:30. 105 00:04:15,970 --> 00:04:17,110 {\an1}[cell phone beeps] 106 00:04:17,140 --> 00:04:20,580 {\an1} We're gonna need contact names for both teams. 107 00:04:20,610 --> 00:04:22,510 {\an1}M.E.'s got something. 108 00:04:22,550 --> 00:04:25,180 {\an1}One finger on his left hand didn't get the full broil, 109 00:04:25,220 --> 00:04:27,320 {\an1}so we were able to get a partial print. 110 00:04:27,350 --> 00:04:28,290 {\an1}Enough for an I.D.? 111 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:29,390 {\an1}Charles Nash. 112 00:04:29,420 --> 00:04:31,990 {\an1}New York public schools had him on file. 113 00:04:32,020 --> 00:04:33,690 {\an1}Photo's a few years old. 114 00:04:33,730 --> 00:04:34,890 {\an1}He's a schoolteacher. 115 00:04:34,930 --> 00:04:36,490 {\an1}And a possible arsonist? 116 00:04:36,530 --> 00:04:37,730 {\an1}I doubt it. 117 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:39,060 {\an1}Multiple skull fractures 118 00:04:39,100 --> 00:04:41,470 {\an1}consistent with blunt force trauma. 119 00:04:41,500 --> 00:04:43,030 {\an1}No soot in his airways. 120 00:04:43,070 --> 00:04:45,070 {\an1}No carbon monoxide in his blood. 121 00:04:45,100 --> 00:04:47,310 {\an1} So he was dead before he was burned. 122 00:04:48,540 --> 00:04:49,910 {\an1}Hmm. 123 00:04:49,940 --> 00:04:51,880 {\an1} (Cassady) Nash is the coach for the visiting team 124 00:04:51,910 --> 00:04:54,280 {\an1}that played at the church-- Christian Path Academy, 125 00:04:54,310 --> 00:04:55,810 {\an1}a parochial school on the west side. 126 00:04:55,850 --> 00:04:57,480 {\an1}He also taught biology there. 127 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:00,250 {\an1}Well, the fire didn't start until around 11:00. 128 00:05:00,290 --> 00:05:01,990 {\an1} Why would he be there that late? 129 00:05:02,020 --> 00:05:03,360 {\an1}Well, game didn't wrap till 9:30, 130 00:05:03,390 --> 00:05:05,420 {\an1}and the other coach said Nash was still packing up 131 00:05:05,460 --> 00:05:06,860 {\an1}when he left at 10:00. 132 00:05:06,890 --> 00:05:08,090 {\an1}So what, you think Nash 133 00:05:08,130 --> 00:05:09,860 {\an1}caught the arsonists in the act 134 00:05:09,890 --> 00:05:11,360 {\an1}and tried to intervene? 135 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:13,100 {\an1}Well, M.E. said he got hit pretty hard 136 00:05:13,130 --> 00:05:14,270 {\an1}on the face and head. 137 00:05:14,300 --> 00:05:15,700 {\an1}Suggests some kind of struggle. 138 00:05:15,730 --> 00:05:16,900 {\an1} (Green) Hey! 139 00:05:16,940 --> 00:05:19,040 {\an1} Nash rents an apartment in the East Village. 140 00:05:19,070 --> 00:05:21,440 {\an1}The super says he lived with a girl named Kristin Saunders. 141 00:05:21,470 --> 00:05:22,670 {\an1}Girlfriend? Yeah. 142 00:05:22,710 --> 00:05:23,910 {\an1}Guess she's wondering why 143 00:05:23,940 --> 00:05:26,280 {\an1}he didn't come home last night. 144 00:05:29,110 --> 00:05:31,220 {\an1} (Kristen) Are you saying 145 00:05:31,250 --> 00:05:34,050 {\an1}he burned? 146 00:05:34,090 --> 00:05:35,320 {\an1}Alive? 147 00:05:35,350 --> 00:05:36,990 {\an1}(Green) We don't think so. 148 00:05:37,020 --> 00:05:38,290 {\an1}It looks like he fought somebody 149 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:40,460 {\an1}before the fire. 150 00:05:40,490 --> 00:05:42,490 {\an1}Those church arsons? 151 00:05:42,530 --> 00:05:44,530 {\an1} (Cassady) They could be related. 152 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:47,770 {\an1}Unless Charlie was having some trouble with anyone? 153 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:49,370 {\an1}No. 154 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:51,740 {\an1}Any problems at work? 155 00:05:53,500 --> 00:05:56,010 {\an1}Charlie didn't see problems. 156 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:00,110 {\an1} He was very passionate about his work. 157 00:06:00,140 --> 00:06:02,650 {\an1}[cell phone rings] 158 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,750 {\an1}Did he get along with the other teachers? 159 00:06:05,780 --> 00:06:07,320 {\an1} Mm-hmm. Cassady. 160 00:06:07,350 --> 00:06:08,990 {\an1}And the kids. 161 00:06:09,020 --> 00:06:12,120 {\an1} He said that they were really responding to him. 162 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,230 {\an1} Why would somebody want to burn a church? 163 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:19,900 {\an1}(Green) Again, we're really sorry. 164 00:06:19,930 --> 00:06:21,800 {\an1}And, uh... 165 00:06:21,830 --> 00:06:23,840 {\an1}if you can think of anything else, 166 00:06:23,870 --> 00:06:25,440 {\an1}give us a call, all right? 167 00:06:25,470 --> 00:06:26,810 {\an1}Anything. 168 00:06:29,510 --> 00:06:32,540 {\an1}Uniform thinks they've located the vehicle. 169 00:06:34,510 --> 00:06:35,980 {\an1} (male uniform) Black, dented fender, 170 00:06:36,010 --> 00:06:38,420 {\an1}bumper sticker, but no plates. 171 00:06:38,450 --> 00:06:40,580 {\an1}And the VIN on the dash was scratched out. 172 00:06:40,620 --> 00:06:41,950 {\an1}Did you check on the doorjamb? 173 00:06:41,990 --> 00:06:43,720 {\an1}Yeah, and called it into the DMV. 174 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:45,590 {\an1}Uh, registered owner is an Emily Ward, 175 00:06:45,620 --> 00:06:46,690 {\an1}44 years old. 176 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:49,090 {\an1} Address in Poughkeepsie. 177 00:06:49,130 --> 00:06:51,260 {\an1}And she's into death metal? 178 00:06:51,300 --> 00:06:52,500 {\an1}Was it reported stolen? 179 00:06:52,530 --> 00:06:53,660 {\an1}Nope. 180 00:06:53,700 --> 00:06:55,630 {\an1} Ugh. You smell that gas? 181 00:06:55,670 --> 00:06:57,570 {\an1}Uh, yeah. 182 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,840 {\an1}Well, looks like it's pretty well cleaned out. 183 00:07:00,870 --> 00:07:03,170 {\an1}Well, we found the getaway car. 184 00:07:06,780 --> 00:07:08,350 {\an1} (Green) Jason Ward. 185 00:07:08,380 --> 00:07:10,680 {\an1} Hey. Detective Green. 186 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:12,320 {\an1} This is my partner, Detective Cassady. 187 00:07:12,350 --> 00:07:15,620 {\an1}Listen, you drive your mom's SUV? 188 00:07:15,650 --> 00:07:17,460 {\an1}Yeah. Did you find it? 189 00:07:17,490 --> 00:07:18,760 {\an1}Right where you left it. 190 00:07:18,790 --> 00:07:21,530 {\an1} No, my car was stolen like a month ago. 191 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:23,660 {\an1} You didn't report it stolen. 192 00:07:23,700 --> 00:07:25,800 {\an1} And, uh, who are you? 193 00:07:27,230 --> 00:07:28,630 {\an1}Todd. 194 00:07:28,670 --> 00:07:31,170 {\an1} I really like that hoodie, Todd. 195 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:33,810 {\an1}I think I've seen that somewhere before. 196 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:35,070 {\an1}I didn't report it stolen 197 00:07:35,110 --> 00:07:36,980 {\an1}'cause I knew my dad would get pissed. 198 00:07:37,010 --> 00:07:39,780 {\an1}He didn't want me to bring it in the city in the first place. 199 00:07:39,810 --> 00:07:41,680 {\an1}Um, thought something bad would happen to it. 200 00:07:41,710 --> 00:07:43,850 {\an1}You got a parking ticket on it last week. 201 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,080 {\an1} And you paid for it. With your credit card. 202 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:48,050 {\an1}Had your name on it. 203 00:07:48,090 --> 00:07:49,790 {\an1}Come on. 204 00:07:49,820 --> 00:07:51,920 {\an1} This is crazy. You got the wrong guys. 205 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:53,960 {\an1}We found tire tread marks at three of those church fires 206 00:07:53,990 --> 00:07:55,430 {\an1}that match your ride, bro. 207 00:07:55,460 --> 00:07:57,000 {\an1}I don't know what you're talking about. 208 00:07:57,030 --> 00:07:58,500 {\an1}Then let's start with last night. 209 00:07:58,530 --> 00:07:59,660 {\an1}Where were you? 210 00:07:59,700 --> 00:08:01,770 {\an1}In the dorm studying. 211 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,270 {\an1}Did anyone see you? 212 00:08:04,300 --> 00:08:07,640 {\an1}My roommate came by with a couple of girls. 213 00:08:07,670 --> 00:08:10,280 {\an1}Please. We didn't do this. 214 00:08:10,310 --> 00:08:11,880 {\an1} Get smart one more time, I'm gonna smack the snot outta you. 215 00:08:11,910 --> 00:08:13,510 {\an1}Look, man-- No, you look, you little bastard! 216 00:08:13,540 --> 00:08:15,080 {\an1}We're trying to help you. 217 00:08:15,110 --> 00:08:17,220 {\an1}Now drop your attitude and show some respect. 218 00:08:17,250 --> 00:08:18,650 {\an1}We got five fires and a body, Jason. 219 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:20,080 {\an1}You better come up with five alibis, 220 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:21,620 {\an1}or we got you by the balls. 221 00:08:21,650 --> 00:08:22,690 {\an1}Wha--ask around campus. 222 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:23,990 {\an1}There's plenty of people who'll tell you 223 00:08:24,020 --> 00:08:25,490 {\an1} they saw me each one of those nights. 224 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:27,330 {\an1} And after we search their rooms 225 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:29,090 {\an1}and find their bags of weed and throw them in jail, 226 00:08:29,130 --> 00:08:30,860 {\an1} you still think they'll lie for you then? 227 00:08:30,900 --> 00:08:32,360 {\an1}We didn't do anything. 228 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:34,400 {\an1}We're not talking about some arson charge here. 229 00:08:34,430 --> 00:08:37,270 {\an1} A man is dead, Todd. You committed murder. 230 00:08:37,300 --> 00:08:38,500 {\an1}We had nothing to do with that fire. 231 00:08:38,540 --> 00:08:40,570 {\an1} That fire? What about the other four? 232 00:08:40,610 --> 00:08:43,410 {\an1}No, all of them. I-it wasn't us. 233 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:48,150 {\an1} Boy, if you lie to me one more time, 234 00:08:48,180 --> 00:08:49,850 {\an1}I'm walking out that door, 235 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:52,420 {\an1}and any hope you got walks out with me. 236 00:08:52,450 --> 00:08:54,220 {\an1}Last chance. 237 00:08:54,250 --> 00:08:56,490 {\an1} Who started the first fire? 238 00:09:01,530 --> 00:09:02,660 {\an1}Jason. 239 00:09:05,100 --> 00:09:06,600 {\an1}Were you there? 240 00:09:08,970 --> 00:09:10,430 {\an1}Yeah. 241 00:09:13,370 --> 00:09:15,340 {\an1}A church. 242 00:09:15,370 --> 00:09:18,010 {\an1}How could you? 243 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:20,210 {\an1}We were high on a bunch of blow, 244 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:21,710 {\an1}and we decided to burn one. 245 00:09:21,750 --> 00:09:23,080 {\an1}And it felt great, 246 00:09:23,110 --> 00:09:24,480 {\an1}so we decided to do another one. 247 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:26,780 {\an1}Did it feel good to kill Charles Nash too? 248 00:09:26,820 --> 00:09:28,490 {\an1} That wasn't us. Swear to God. 249 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:30,120 {\an1}And Todd saw that on the news and flipped out, 250 00:09:30,150 --> 00:09:31,960 {\an1}so we had to ditch our car. 251 00:09:31,990 --> 00:09:33,760 {\an1}Why the hell should we believe you? 252 00:09:33,790 --> 00:09:36,260 {\an1} 'Cause there's a guy in the dorms that deals coke. 253 00:09:36,290 --> 00:09:38,800 {\an1} And we were partying with him all night 254 00:09:38,830 --> 00:09:41,230 {\an1} and about... five other people. 255 00:09:47,610 --> 00:09:51,610 {\an1}I want the names. All of them. 256 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:53,010 {\an1}(Green) Lieu. Yeah. 257 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:55,280 {\an1}Fire Marshal sent over the lab results for site five. 258 00:09:55,310 --> 00:09:57,250 {\an1}The accelerant was turpentine, not gasoline. 259 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:58,620 {\an1}The last arson was a copycat. 260 00:09:58,650 --> 00:10:00,420 {\an1} So we've got our firebugs, 261 00:10:00,450 --> 00:10:02,450 {\an1} but if they're telling the truth, 262 00:10:02,490 --> 00:10:03,460 {\an1}we're still looking for a murderer. 263 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:08,990 {\an1}. 264 00:10:10,290 --> 00:10:12,800 {\an1}Mr. Nash was a terrific teacher and a great guy. 265 00:10:12,830 --> 00:10:14,700 {\an1} I still can't believe this. 266 00:10:14,730 --> 00:10:16,230 {\an1}So this is a Catholic school? 267 00:10:16,270 --> 00:10:18,140 {\an1}We're a nondenominational Christian academy. 268 00:10:18,170 --> 00:10:19,970 {\an1}Students of all beliefs are welcome here. 269 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:21,110 {\an1}Nash's girlfriend said 270 00:10:21,140 --> 00:10:22,610 {\an1} that he wasn't much of a churchgoer. 271 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:24,280 {\an1}Was that an issue with him? 272 00:10:24,310 --> 00:10:25,680 {\an1}Not for teaching science. 273 00:10:25,710 --> 00:10:27,580 {\an1} Did he have any problems here? 274 00:10:27,610 --> 00:10:28,780 {\an1}Nothing out of the ordinary. 275 00:10:28,810 --> 00:10:30,850 {\an1}A minor argument with a teacher here, 276 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:32,880 {\an1}an angry parent there. 277 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:34,590 {\an1}Who's Jacob Reese? 278 00:10:34,620 --> 00:10:37,160 {\an1}Uh, Mary Reese's father. 279 00:10:37,190 --> 00:10:38,360 {\an1}She's a sophomore. 280 00:10:38,390 --> 00:10:39,920 {\an1}One of Nash's students? 281 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:41,290 {\an1}Yes. 282 00:10:41,330 --> 00:10:44,460 {\an1} Well, it looks like he left about four messages last wk. 283 00:10:44,500 --> 00:10:47,400 {\an1} Any idea why he was in such a hurry to talk to Nash? 284 00:10:49,570 --> 00:10:51,570 {\an1}Yeah, my daughter told me what happened. 285 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:53,070 {\an1}I'm praying for his family. 286 00:10:53,100 --> 00:10:55,740 {\an1} (Cassady) You and Nash knew each other, Mr. Reese? 287 00:10:55,770 --> 00:10:57,610 {\an1} Not really. He was my kid's biology teacher. 288 00:10:57,640 --> 00:10:59,110 {\an1}Did you talk to him recently? 289 00:10:59,140 --> 00:11:01,810 {\an1}A couple days ago about him flunking Mary on a term paper. 290 00:11:01,850 --> 00:11:03,580 {\an1} Well, I imagine you were pretty upset. 291 00:11:03,610 --> 00:11:05,150 {\an1}Well, yeah, Mary's smart. 292 00:11:05,180 --> 00:11:07,250 {\an1}I mean, tested off the charts in middle school. 293 00:11:07,290 --> 00:11:08,720 {\an1}And I didn't want to see him 294 00:11:08,750 --> 00:11:10,150 {\an1} ruin her chances at a scholarship. 295 00:11:10,190 --> 00:11:12,690 {\an1} Did you meet Nash in person? 296 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:13,960 {\an1}Uh, yeah, at the school. 297 00:11:13,990 --> 00:11:15,160 {\an1}Yeah, how'd that go? 298 00:11:15,190 --> 00:11:16,130 {\an1}Oh, good. 299 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:17,930 {\an1}He agreed to let Mary do extra credit 300 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:19,000 {\an1}to make up the grade. 301 00:11:19,030 --> 00:11:20,530 {\an1}We shook hands, and that was that. 302 00:11:20,570 --> 00:11:23,030 {\an1} Any of the other parents have a problem with Nash? 303 00:11:23,070 --> 00:11:24,340 {\an1}Not that I heard of. 304 00:11:24,370 --> 00:11:25,800 {\an1}Everyone's pretty nice. 305 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:29,470 {\an1}You might want to take a look at his personal life, though. 306 00:11:29,510 --> 00:11:31,510 {\an1}Now why would you say that? 307 00:11:31,540 --> 00:11:34,210 {\an1}Yeah, just rumors. Booze, women. 308 00:11:34,250 --> 00:11:36,210 {\an1}I don't think he was as straight-laced 309 00:11:36,250 --> 00:11:37,750 {\an1}as he wanted people to believe. 310 00:11:37,780 --> 00:11:39,420 {\an1}[cell phone ringing] Excuse me. 311 00:11:42,590 --> 00:11:43,560 {\an1}All right, thanks, man. 312 00:11:43,590 --> 00:11:44,920 {\an1}Hey--thanks. 313 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:47,260 {\an1}Looks like Reese might have been right about Nash's wild side. 314 00:11:47,290 --> 00:11:49,630 {\an1} You got a hit on the LUDS? Yep, Allison Dale. 315 00:11:49,660 --> 00:11:51,700 {\an1}She called him three times a day before he was murdered. 316 00:11:51,730 --> 00:11:53,130 {\an1}And? She got two priors. 317 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:55,430 {\an1}One for possession, the other for solicitation. 318 00:11:55,470 --> 00:11:56,730 {\an1}Nice. 319 00:12:01,740 --> 00:12:03,740 {\an1}I wasn't screwing Mr. Nash. 320 00:12:03,770 --> 00:12:05,110 {\an1} Then why were you calling him, Allison? 321 00:12:05,140 --> 00:12:07,410 {\an1} Could you please not say my real name? 322 00:12:07,450 --> 00:12:10,420 {\an1} My kid goes to Christian Path, all right? 323 00:12:10,450 --> 00:12:12,620 {\an1} So you're just a concerned parent? 324 00:12:12,650 --> 00:12:14,550 {\an1}I don't hook or get high anymore. 325 00:12:14,590 --> 00:12:16,390 {\an1}I'm only doing this to make tuition. 326 00:12:16,420 --> 00:12:17,790 {\an1} (Cassady) That doesn't explain 327 00:12:17,820 --> 00:12:19,790 {\an1}why you have Nash's cell phone. 328 00:12:19,820 --> 00:12:22,690 {\an1}It's on the contact sheet for the basketball team. 329 00:12:22,730 --> 00:12:24,530 {\an1}My son Chris plays point guard, 330 00:12:24,560 --> 00:12:26,060 {\an1}and he's really great too. 331 00:12:26,100 --> 00:12:27,600 {\an1}But Nash kept benching him 332 00:12:27,630 --> 00:12:29,430 {\an1}to give the weaker kids a chance. 333 00:12:29,470 --> 00:12:30,800 {\an1}That's why you were calling him, 334 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:32,600 {\an1}to get your son more playing time? Yes. 335 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:34,170 {\an1} Were you at your son's basketball game 336 00:12:34,210 --> 00:12:35,640 {\an1}the night of the murder? 337 00:12:35,670 --> 00:12:37,140 {\an1}I wish. I was here. 338 00:12:37,170 --> 00:12:40,210 {\an1}Ask the bouncers if you don't believe me. 339 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,010 {\an1}Okay; can you think of any reason 340 00:12:42,050 --> 00:12:44,420 {\an1}anybody would want to hurt Mr. Nash? 341 00:12:44,450 --> 00:12:46,680 {\an1}You mean aside from that whole intelligent design thing? 342 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:48,590 {\an1}What are you talking about? 343 00:12:48,620 --> 00:12:51,490 {\an1}There was this big brouhaha about three months back. 344 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:52,720 {\an1}This parents' group 345 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:54,960 {\an1}wanted creation science taught in the classroom. 346 00:12:54,990 --> 00:12:56,960 {\an1}They wanted stickers questioning evolution 347 00:12:56,990 --> 00:12:58,530 {\an1}added to the textbooks. 348 00:12:58,560 --> 00:12:59,630 {\an1}And Nash was against it. 349 00:12:59,660 --> 00:13:00,930 {\an1}Big time. 350 00:13:00,970 --> 00:13:03,330 {\an1}I hear he got into a shouting match with a bunch of 'em 351 00:13:03,370 --> 00:13:04,600 {\an1}at a school board meeting. 352 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:06,840 {\an1} Do you know how we can get a hold of this group? 353 00:13:06,870 --> 00:13:09,040 {\an1}Yeah, Parents for Honest Education. 354 00:13:09,070 --> 00:13:10,840 {\an1}Leader's name is Claudia Murphy. 355 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:12,780 {\an1}Look, i-if you talk to her, 356 00:13:12,810 --> 00:13:14,980 {\an1}please don't tell her what I do. 357 00:13:16,780 --> 00:13:18,820 {\an1}Evolution is a theory, not a fact. 358 00:13:18,850 --> 00:13:21,450 {\an1} All we're asking is that our children be exposed 359 00:13:21,490 --> 00:13:22,950 {\an1}to all points of view. 360 00:13:22,990 --> 00:13:24,720 {\an1}Yeah, we heard that some of your members 361 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:27,790 {\an1}were "asking" Charles Nash at the top of their lungs. 362 00:13:27,830 --> 00:13:29,990 {\an1}A few spirited debates, nothing more. 363 00:13:30,030 --> 00:13:31,230 {\an1} Still, we're gonna need a list 364 00:13:31,260 --> 00:13:32,300 {\an1}of all the parents in your group. 365 00:13:32,330 --> 00:13:34,800 {\an1}If you want to find Nash's killer, 366 00:13:34,830 --> 00:13:36,800 {\an1} try looking into his personal life. 367 00:13:36,830 --> 00:13:38,770 {\an1}There were rumors. (Green) We did. 368 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:40,470 {\an1}We need the list. 369 00:13:40,500 --> 00:13:42,410 {\an1} Well, I'm not going to give it to you. 370 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:44,280 {\an1}This is a religious organization, 371 00:13:44,310 --> 00:13:47,410 {\an1}and I believe our members have the right to privacy. 372 00:13:47,450 --> 00:13:50,480 {\an1}[school bell rings] 373 00:13:50,510 --> 00:13:52,450 {\an1} This is an intellectual debate about school policy. 374 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:53,680 {\an1}It's hardly grounds for murder. 375 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:55,750 {\an1}I don't think I need to tell you this, 376 00:13:55,790 --> 00:13:56,920 {\an1}but people get a little crazy about religion. 377 00:13:56,950 --> 00:13:57,960 {\an1}Not these people. 378 00:13:57,990 --> 00:13:59,060 {\an1}They're just parents 379 00:13:59,090 --> 00:14:00,560 {\an1}who are trying to do right by their kids. 380 00:14:00,590 --> 00:14:02,660 {\an1}Please-- 381 00:14:02,690 --> 00:14:04,700 {\an1} I don't want this in the papers. 382 00:14:04,730 --> 00:14:05,730 {\an1}Claudia Murphy. 383 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:08,000 {\an1}She refused to give us a list of the members. 384 00:14:08,030 --> 00:14:10,230 {\an1}You know any of the names of the people in the group? 385 00:14:10,270 --> 00:14:12,000 {\an1} I don't have that information. 386 00:14:15,910 --> 00:14:18,940 {\an1} But I do have the petition that they sent. 387 00:14:18,980 --> 00:14:20,210 {\an1}[opens drawer] 388 00:14:27,990 --> 00:14:29,920 {\an1}Look at the third name. 389 00:14:31,090 --> 00:14:32,260 {\an1}Jacob Reese. 390 00:14:32,290 --> 00:14:34,760 {\an1}He told us that he was working on something with Nash 391 00:14:34,790 --> 00:14:37,300 {\an1}so that his daughter Mary would get a passing grade. 392 00:14:37,330 --> 00:14:38,930 {\an1}Can you verify that? 393 00:14:40,130 --> 00:14:42,770 {\an1}[typing] 394 00:14:44,670 --> 00:14:46,440 {\an1}As of right now, 395 00:14:46,470 --> 00:14:48,310 {\an1}she still has a failing grade. 396 00:14:49,510 --> 00:14:52,010 {\an1}Okay. 397 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:54,480 {\an1}We need to talk to Mary. 398 00:14:54,510 --> 00:14:56,680 {\an1}Now. 399 00:14:56,710 --> 00:14:59,320 {\an1}The paper was supposed to be about evolution, 400 00:14:59,350 --> 00:15:01,120 {\an1}and I wrote mine on the evidence 401 00:15:01,150 --> 00:15:02,950 {\an1}for intelligent design. 402 00:15:02,990 --> 00:15:05,590 {\an1}Mr. Nash gave me an F. 403 00:15:05,620 --> 00:15:06,660 {\an1}How did your dad feel about that? 404 00:15:06,690 --> 00:15:08,030 {\an1}He was worried that it would 405 00:15:08,060 --> 00:15:09,730 {\an1}keep me out of college. 406 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:11,800 {\an1}He tried to talk to Mr. Nash, 407 00:15:11,830 --> 00:15:14,930 {\an1}but Nash wouldn't change the grade. 408 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:17,370 {\an1}It was no big deal. 409 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:19,440 {\an1}(Cassady) See, it actually is now, 410 00:15:19,470 --> 00:15:21,110 {\an1}because your dad said 411 00:15:21,140 --> 00:15:24,240 {\an1}that Mr. Nash was gonna let you do extra credit. 412 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:26,410 {\an1}Right. 413 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:28,280 {\an1}I mean, he wouldn't change the grade 414 00:15:28,310 --> 00:15:30,550 {\an1} until I did the extra credit. 415 00:15:30,580 --> 00:15:32,950 {\an1} He died before I got the assignment. 416 00:15:32,980 --> 00:15:34,920 {\an1}So... 417 00:15:34,950 --> 00:15:36,950 {\an1} Where was your dad the night Mr. Nash was killed? 418 00:15:36,990 --> 00:15:39,060 {\an1}He was home all night. 419 00:15:39,090 --> 00:15:41,460 {\an1} With me. We were watching TV. 420 00:15:41,490 --> 00:15:42,590 {\an1}[cell phone rings] 421 00:15:42,630 --> 00:15:44,330 {\an1} (Green) What were you watching? 422 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:47,430 {\an1}Just, um, flipping through channels. 423 00:15:47,470 --> 00:15:49,400 {\an1} Your dad said you were watching a movie. 424 00:15:49,430 --> 00:15:52,640 {\an1} Oh, yeah. That's right. 425 00:15:54,140 --> 00:15:55,270 {\an1}You lied twice. 426 00:15:55,310 --> 00:15:58,180 {\an1}I don't recommend you do it a third time. 427 00:15:58,210 --> 00:15:59,710 {\an1}Now, what's going on? 428 00:16:00,780 --> 00:16:02,680 {\an1}Uh, I wanna see my dad. 429 00:16:04,150 --> 00:16:06,380 {\an1}Can you hold her in your office, 430 00:16:06,420 --> 00:16:08,450 {\an1} and don't let her use the phone? 431 00:16:09,950 --> 00:16:11,090 {\an1}Come on, Mary. 432 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:13,660 {\an1}[school bell rings] 433 00:16:13,690 --> 00:16:15,330 {\an1}Reese's cell phone records show 434 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:17,390 {\an1}two calls the night of the murder. 435 00:16:17,430 --> 00:16:19,760 {\an1}Both hit off towers near the crime scene. 436 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:22,670 {\an1}Let's hope that's enough to get a warrant. 437 00:16:27,470 --> 00:16:28,740 {\an1}Detectives. 438 00:16:28,770 --> 00:16:30,240 {\an1} We have a warrant to search your apartment. For what? 439 00:16:30,270 --> 00:16:31,480 {\an1}Why didn't you tell us 440 00:16:31,510 --> 00:16:33,210 {\an1}you called Charles Nash the night he was killed? 441 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,110 {\an1}I didn't, I must have dialed a wrong number. 442 00:16:35,150 --> 00:16:36,680 {\an1}Can you explain why you dialed the wrong number 443 00:16:36,710 --> 00:16:37,950 {\an1}all the way across town, 444 00:16:37,980 --> 00:16:39,250 {\an1}a block away from where he was murdered? 445 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:41,250 {\an1}I don't have to explain anything. 446 00:16:41,290 --> 00:16:43,350 {\an1} (Cassady) Yeah, you do. Check this out, Ed. 447 00:16:43,390 --> 00:16:44,720 {\an1}Turpentine. 448 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:47,060 {\an1}I use it for my business. I restore furniture. 449 00:16:47,090 --> 00:16:48,890 {\an1} And to burn the occasional church? 450 00:16:48,930 --> 00:16:50,060 {\an1}I would never do that. 451 00:16:50,090 --> 00:16:52,730 {\an1}Didn't anyone tell you it's a sin to lie? 452 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:55,500 {\an1}You're under arrest for the murder of Charles Nash. 453 00:16:55,770 --> 00:16:57,530 {\an1}You have the right tosilent. 454 00:16:57,570 --> 00:16:59,340 {\an1}Anything you say may be used against you in a court of law. 455 00:17:02,670 --> 00:17:04,780 {\an1} People v. Jacob Matthew Reese. 456 00:17:04,810 --> 00:17:06,410 {\an1}Charges are murder in the second degree 457 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:07,640 {\an1}and arson, third degree. 458 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:09,350 {\an1} How does the defendant please? 459 00:17:09,380 --> 00:17:10,580 {\an1}Not guilty, Your Honor. 460 00:17:10,610 --> 00:17:11,750 {\an1}Bail, Ms. Rubirosa? 461 00:17:11,780 --> 00:17:13,820 {\an1}People seek remand, Your Honor. 462 00:17:13,850 --> 00:17:15,850 {\an1} Mr. Reese beat Charles Nash to death 463 00:17:15,890 --> 00:17:18,120 {\an1}and tried to cover up the crime by burning a church. 464 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:20,360 {\an1} (Rowen) My client is the sole supporter of his teenaged daughter. 465 00:17:20,390 --> 00:17:22,290 {\an1}He's not a flight risk, Your Honor. 466 00:17:22,330 --> 00:17:23,890 {\an1} And the only evidence against him 467 00:17:23,930 --> 00:17:26,030 {\an1}is some turpentine he uses in his work as a carpenter. 468 00:17:26,060 --> 00:17:28,170 {\an1}We also have proof of animus. 469 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:29,830 {\an1} The victim was teaching evolution 470 00:17:29,870 --> 00:17:31,940 {\an1} to Mr. Reese's daughter against his wishes. 471 00:17:31,970 --> 00:17:34,140 {\an1} (Rowen) That doesn't make him a religious zealot. 472 00:17:34,170 --> 00:17:35,610 {\an1} (Rubirosa) This flyer was created 473 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:37,770 {\an1}on the defendant's computer. 474 00:17:37,810 --> 00:17:39,940 {\an1}"Those who teach evolution to our children 475 00:17:39,980 --> 00:17:41,450 {\an1}shall burn for their sins." 476 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:43,310 {\an1}That's a reference to God's judgment. 477 00:17:43,350 --> 00:17:44,880 {\an1}Or, more likely, a threat. 478 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:47,620 {\an1}Copies were sent anonymously to the victim 479 00:17:47,650 --> 00:17:49,920 {\an1} at his home and at his classroom. 480 00:17:49,950 --> 00:17:52,120 {\an1}Mr. Reese can't take care of his daughter from Rikers Island. 481 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:54,160 {\an1}Bail set at 500,000. 482 00:17:54,190 --> 00:17:56,230 {\an1}[bangs gavel] 483 00:17:56,260 --> 00:17:59,360 {\an1}Do we really think this man killed over a school curriculum? 484 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:01,300 {\an1} Reese became a born-again Christian 485 00:18:01,330 --> 00:18:03,200 {\an1}after his wife died last year. 486 00:18:03,230 --> 00:18:05,070 {\an1}And he founded a parents' group 487 00:18:05,100 --> 00:18:06,770 {\an1}that was in conflict with Nash. 488 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:08,410 {\an1}That doesn't make him a murderer. 489 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:09,840 {\an1}Yeah, but there have been extremists 490 00:18:09,870 --> 00:18:11,410 {\an1} that targeted abortion providers. 491 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:13,310 {\an1}Well, why not evolution teachers? 492 00:18:13,340 --> 00:18:14,880 {\an1}I'm not saying it's impossible, 493 00:18:14,910 --> 00:18:16,310 {\an1}but the person you're describing 494 00:18:16,350 --> 00:18:17,720 {\an1}doesn't sound like the same person 495 00:18:17,750 --> 00:18:20,120 {\an1}who'd set fire to a church. 496 00:18:20,150 --> 00:18:21,450 {\an1}Is there any other reason 497 00:18:21,490 --> 00:18:24,360 {\an1}Reese would go after his daughter's teacher? 498 00:18:24,390 --> 00:18:25,960 {\an1}I'm meeting with Mary's guidance counselor 499 00:18:25,990 --> 00:18:27,590 {\an1}this afternoon. 500 00:18:27,630 --> 00:18:29,530 {\an1}It's so sad about Mr. Nash. 501 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:32,560 {\an1}I understand you were close with the Reese family. 502 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:34,330 {\an1} Well, when Mary transferred here, 503 00:18:34,370 --> 00:18:36,200 {\an1} it was just after they'd lost Mrs. Reese. 504 00:18:36,230 --> 00:18:39,770 {\an1}Mary and her father were having a pretty tough go of it. 505 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:42,940 {\an1} You know, Jacob's a good man. 506 00:18:42,970 --> 00:18:44,140 {\an1}I can't believe he did this. 507 00:18:44,170 --> 00:18:47,440 {\an1}So you think he's guilty. 508 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:51,480 {\an1}No, I mean, I think that's for a jury to decide. 509 00:18:52,580 --> 00:18:54,620 {\an1} Did Mary ever say anything to you 510 00:18:54,650 --> 00:18:56,790 {\an1}about her father and Mr. Nash having problems? 511 00:18:56,820 --> 00:18:59,490 {\an1}I'm not entirely comfortable with this. 512 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:02,060 {\an1}These students come to me in confidence. 513 00:19:02,090 --> 00:19:03,860 {\an1}I'm sure that you're aware there is no privilege 514 00:19:03,890 --> 00:19:05,530 {\an1} protecting what she told you. 515 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:07,060 {\an1}You'd subpoena me? 516 00:19:07,100 --> 00:19:08,370 {\an1}I don't want to, Mr. Thornton, 517 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:10,030 {\an1}but one of your colleagues was murdered. 518 00:19:10,070 --> 00:19:11,370 {\an1}If you know something, 519 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:12,870 {\an1}it's your responsibility to come forward. 520 00:19:16,210 --> 00:19:19,780 {\an1}I promised her I wouldn't say anything, but... 521 00:19:19,810 --> 00:19:21,750 {\an1}a few months before this happened, 522 00:19:21,780 --> 00:19:24,320 {\an1}Mary told me that Nash was hitting on her. 523 00:19:24,350 --> 00:19:26,380 {\an1}And you didn't report it? 524 00:19:26,420 --> 00:19:27,690 {\an1}Mary begged me not to. 525 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,990 {\an1}She said it was her fault, that she'd flirted with him. 526 00:19:31,020 --> 00:19:34,090 {\an1}Considering the rumors about Nash and women, 527 00:19:34,120 --> 00:19:36,730 {\an1}he could have manipulated her into thinking that. 528 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:38,560 {\an1}Did anything actually happen between them? 529 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:39,930 {\an1}She wouldn't tell me. 530 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:43,870 {\an1}But that was the last time she came in to see me. 531 00:19:43,900 --> 00:19:45,600 {\an1} Nothing happened with Mr. Nash. 532 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:46,970 {\an1}(Rubirosa) You told Mr. Thornton 533 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:48,540 {\an1}that he had made advances towards you. 534 00:19:48,570 --> 00:19:50,040 {\an1}I never said that. 535 00:19:50,070 --> 00:19:52,210 {\an1}Or maybe you're not telling us the truth 536 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:53,880 {\an1}to protect your father. 537 00:19:53,910 --> 00:19:56,150 {\an1} My father didn't kill him. 538 00:19:56,180 --> 00:19:57,680 {\an1}But he was angry at Mr. Nash. 539 00:19:57,720 --> 00:19:59,150 {\an1}Because of the evolution stuff that he taught us. 540 00:19:59,180 --> 00:20:00,420 {\an1}Or was it because you told him 541 00:20:00,450 --> 00:20:02,650 {\an1}that you were having sex with Mr. Nash? 542 00:20:02,690 --> 00:20:04,150 {\an1}No! 543 00:20:05,260 --> 00:20:07,820 {\an1}Mind if I crash your little arm-twisting party? 544 00:20:07,860 --> 00:20:09,390 {\an1}What are you doing here, Danielle? 545 00:20:09,430 --> 00:20:11,500 {\an1} I'm now the counsel of record for Jacob Reese. 546 00:20:11,530 --> 00:20:13,360 {\an1} And I don't want you talking to the people 547 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:15,300 {\an1}who are trying to put your father in jail. 548 00:20:15,330 --> 00:20:16,800 {\an1}I can ask her the same questions 549 00:20:16,830 --> 00:20:17,840 {\an1}in the grand jury. 550 00:20:17,870 --> 00:20:19,370 {\an1}You do that. 551 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:22,040 {\an1} Time to go back to class now, honey. 552 00:20:28,050 --> 00:20:29,980 {\an1} (Reese) Trying to turn a child against her father. 553 00:20:30,010 --> 00:20:31,650 {\an1}This is how you seek justice. 554 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:32,980 {\an1} (McCoy) You're in no position 555 00:20:33,020 --> 00:20:34,850 {\an1}to lecture on morality, Mr. Reese. 556 00:20:34,890 --> 00:20:36,650 {\an1}Boys, boys. 557 00:20:37,820 --> 00:20:39,220 {\an1}What are we doing here, Jack? 558 00:20:39,260 --> 00:20:40,690 {\an1}You tell me. 559 00:20:42,430 --> 00:20:44,830 {\an1}He'll plead to the arson to cover all charges. 560 00:20:44,860 --> 00:20:46,330 {\an1}Not a chance. 561 00:20:46,360 --> 00:20:49,600 {\an1}I feel terrible about what happened to that church. 562 00:20:49,630 --> 00:20:51,270 {\an1}I'm trying to do the right thing. 563 00:20:51,300 --> 00:20:53,840 {\an1}Then take responsibility for murdering Charles Nash. 564 00:20:53,870 --> 00:20:56,170 {\an1}Our case against your client 565 00:20:56,210 --> 00:20:57,740 {\an1}is getting stronger. 566 00:20:57,780 --> 00:20:59,110 {\an1}We have reason to believe 567 00:20:59,140 --> 00:21:02,280 {\an1} that the victim was having sex with Mr. Reese's daughter. 568 00:21:02,310 --> 00:21:03,650 {\an1}That is a lie. That is a-- 569 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:05,020 {\an1}[whispering] Jacob. 570 00:21:05,050 --> 00:21:06,620 {\an1} (McCoy) So all this talk about Charles Darwin 571 00:21:06,650 --> 00:21:09,350 {\an1} and the school curriculum is entirely beside the point. 572 00:21:09,390 --> 00:21:11,120 {\an1}(Melnick) Not exactly. 573 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:13,390 {\an1}We're asserting a justification defense. 574 00:21:15,260 --> 00:21:16,430 {\an1}He's admitting to the murder. 575 00:21:16,460 --> 00:21:17,960 {\an1}It's not murder if you're trying 576 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:19,430 {\an1}to save the life of a third party. 577 00:21:19,460 --> 00:21:20,630 {\an1}In this case, his daughter. 578 00:21:20,660 --> 00:21:22,870 {\an1} Nash was attacking Mary. Mm-hmm. 579 00:21:22,900 --> 00:21:24,640 {\an1}We have two witnesses who put Mary at home 580 00:21:24,670 --> 00:21:26,000 {\an1} while Reese was out killing him. 581 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:27,540 {\an1} (Melnick) She doesn't have to be physically present 582 00:21:27,570 --> 00:21:28,740 {\an1}to be in jeopardy. 583 00:21:28,770 --> 00:21:30,540 {\an1}So how could her life possibly be in danger? 584 00:21:30,570 --> 00:21:31,540 {\an1}What was the threat? 585 00:21:31,580 --> 00:21:33,510 {\an1}Divine retribution. 586 00:21:35,710 --> 00:21:37,410 {\an1}Excuse me? 587 00:21:37,450 --> 00:21:38,520 {\an1}Like many Americans, 588 00:21:38,550 --> 00:21:40,720 {\an1}Jacob Reese believes in an all-powerful God 589 00:21:40,750 --> 00:21:42,120 {\an1}who punishes nonbelievers. 590 00:21:42,150 --> 00:21:43,320 {\an1}(Reese) He didn't hesitate 591 00:21:43,350 --> 00:21:47,020 {\an1}to turn Lot's wife into a pillar of salt. 592 00:21:48,230 --> 00:21:49,990 {\an1}Are you serious? 593 00:21:50,030 --> 00:21:51,400 {\an1}In my client's eyes, 594 00:21:51,430 --> 00:21:53,400 {\an1}Nash was placing his daughter in mortal danger 595 00:21:53,430 --> 00:21:55,130 {\an1}by teaching her evolution. 596 00:21:55,170 --> 00:21:57,570 {\an1}So you're claiming that Jacob Reese 597 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:00,500 {\an1}had to kill Charles Nash... 598 00:22:00,540 --> 00:22:03,910 {\an1}to protect his daughter from the wrath of God? 599 00:22:03,940 --> 00:22:05,080 {\an1}That's what he believes. 600 00:22:05,110 --> 00:22:06,380 {\an1} (Rubirosa) The law requires 601 00:22:06,410 --> 00:22:08,450 {\an1} that he perceive a physical threat, 602 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:09,710 {\an1}not just imagine one. 603 00:22:09,750 --> 00:22:14,350 {\an1}My faith is not imaginary. 604 00:22:14,380 --> 00:22:16,490 {\an1}This is preposterous, Danielle. 605 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,160 {\an1}This will never see the light of day. 606 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:25,360 {\an1} (Judge Glover) Divine retribution? 607 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,100 {\an1}You can't be serious, Ms. Melnick. 608 00:22:27,130 --> 00:22:28,630 {\an1}Your Honor, the justification statute 609 00:22:28,670 --> 00:22:30,330 {\an1}permits the use of deadly force 610 00:22:30,370 --> 00:22:32,840 {\an1}in the defense of another person. 611 00:22:32,870 --> 00:22:34,410 {\an1} From the threat of deadly physical force 612 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,140 {\an1}that's both real and immediate. 613 00:22:36,170 --> 00:22:39,140 {\an1} (Melnick) Jacob Reese perceived exactly that. 614 00:22:39,180 --> 00:22:40,710 {\an1} By threatening his daughter's faith, 615 00:22:40,740 --> 00:22:43,350 {\an1} Nash was placing her in imminent danger 616 00:22:43,380 --> 00:22:44,950 {\an1}of serious bodily injury. 617 00:22:44,980 --> 00:22:46,750 {\an1}From what, a bolt of lightning? 618 00:22:48,020 --> 00:22:49,650 {\an1}Your Honor, my client believes 619 00:22:49,690 --> 00:22:51,520 {\an1}that an act of God could have struck his daughter down 620 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:53,620 {\an1}at any moment if Nash wasn't stopped. 621 00:22:53,660 --> 00:22:56,330 {\an1}Stopped from teaching her about evolution 622 00:22:56,360 --> 00:22:58,760 {\an1}or stopped from having sex with her? 623 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:02,300 {\an1}If Mr. McCoy has any proof that they were intimate, 624 00:23:02,330 --> 00:23:03,670 {\an1}let's see it. 625 00:23:03,700 --> 00:23:05,470 {\an1}Even if you bought their twisted logic, 626 00:23:05,500 --> 00:23:07,970 {\an1}it's only an argument for justification of killing God, 627 00:23:08,010 --> 00:23:09,340 {\an1}not Charles Nash. 628 00:23:09,370 --> 00:23:11,340 {\an1} (Melnick) In my client's eyes, 629 00:23:11,380 --> 00:23:13,010 {\an1}Nash was the driving force 630 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:14,380 {\an1} pushing Mary towards God's reproach 631 00:23:14,410 --> 00:23:16,480 {\an1}as surely as if he were pushing her off a cliff. 632 00:23:16,510 --> 00:23:17,850 {\an1}What about the fact that the defendant 633 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,320 {\an1}burned down a church to cover up his righteous act? 634 00:23:20,350 --> 00:23:22,050 {\an1}The People v. Flores. 635 00:23:22,090 --> 00:23:23,520 {\an1}"An attempt to conceal a crime 636 00:23:23,550 --> 00:23:26,120 {\an1}does not prohibit the assertion of a justification defense." 637 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:27,160 {\an1}(McCoy) In this case, 638 00:23:27,190 --> 00:23:28,960 {\an1}it demonstrates that the defense 639 00:23:28,990 --> 00:23:30,860 {\an1}is a complete fraud. 640 00:23:30,890 --> 00:23:32,360 {\an1}That's for the jury to decide. 641 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,370 {\an1} (McCoy) How does the defense 642 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,470 {\an1}expect to prove this fairy tale? 643 00:23:36,500 --> 00:23:39,100 {\an1}By establishing Jacob Reese's profound religious faith. 644 00:23:39,140 --> 00:23:40,900 {\an1}So we're just supposed to take his word for it. 645 00:23:40,940 --> 00:23:43,270 {\an1} (Melnick) The United States Supreme Court has held 646 00:23:43,310 --> 00:23:44,810 {\an1}that the First Amendment prohibits the courts 647 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:46,780 {\an1}from determining the validity of religious beliefs. 648 00:23:46,810 --> 00:23:49,550 {\an1} Men may believe what they cannot prove. 649 00:23:49,580 --> 00:23:51,280 {\an1}U.S. v. Ballard. 650 00:23:53,650 --> 00:23:55,650 {\an1}It's a subjective standard, Mr. McCoy. 651 00:23:55,690 --> 00:23:58,090 {\an1}You and I may not believe it's reasonable, 652 00:23:58,120 --> 00:24:01,990 {\an1}but if the defense can establish Mr. Reese does-- 653 00:24:02,030 --> 00:24:04,690 {\an1}Then it's the basis for an insanity defense, 654 00:24:04,730 --> 00:24:06,030 {\an1}not justification. 655 00:24:06,060 --> 00:24:07,530 {\an1} Perhaps, but unfortunately, 656 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,000 {\an1}you can't dictate strategy to Ms. Melnick. 657 00:24:11,230 --> 00:24:13,470 {\an1}You're going to allow this, Your Honor? 658 00:24:13,500 --> 00:24:15,840 {\an1} Well, who am I to say that the defendant's 659 00:24:15,870 --> 00:24:17,370 {\an1} literal belief in biblical retribution 660 00:24:17,410 --> 00:24:20,040 {\an1}is not reasonable? 661 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,250 {\an1} You're a judge in a court of law. 662 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,210 {\an1}And you're out of line, Counselor. 663 00:24:24,250 --> 00:24:27,020 {\an1} If Mr. Reese can convince a jury 664 00:24:27,050 --> 00:24:28,820 {\an1} that this was truly his state of mind 665 00:24:28,850 --> 00:24:31,250 {\an1}at the time of the homicide, 666 00:24:31,290 --> 00:24:33,620 {\an1} then let them decide if this justifies what he did. 667 00:24:33,660 --> 00:24:37,190 {\an1} In that case, I move for a 730 exam. 668 00:24:37,230 --> 00:24:38,560 {\an1}Fine. 669 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:40,530 {\an1}What does that mean? 670 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,170 {\an1}He's claiming that you're not mentally fit to stand trial. 671 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:44,570 {\an1}That I'm crazy? 672 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,770 {\an1}Because I believe in God 673 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,310 {\an1}and his power to punish sinners and heretics? 674 00:24:49,340 --> 00:24:51,470 {\an1}Because the defendant is so deluded 675 00:24:51,510 --> 00:24:53,880 {\an1}with religious mythology that he can't mount 676 00:24:53,910 --> 00:24:55,650 {\an1}a responsible defense for himself. 677 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,480 {\an1} Your Honor, that is straight out of Karl Marx. 678 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,920 {\an1} You can't possibly grant that application. 679 00:25:00,950 --> 00:25:04,420 {\an1}Your unconventional defense opened the door, Ms. Melnick. 680 00:25:04,450 --> 00:25:06,460 {\an1} I want a psych workup on the defendant. 681 00:25:06,490 --> 00:25:09,030 {\an1} And I'll hold a hearing on his competency. 682 00:25:09,060 --> 00:25:10,230 {\an1}[bangs gavel] 683 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,500 {\an1} Who's winning, the Christians or the lions? 684 00:25:18,540 --> 00:25:19,670 {\an1}Who are you, 685 00:25:19,700 --> 00:25:21,910 {\an1}and what have you done with Danielle Melnick? 686 00:25:21,940 --> 00:25:24,440 {\an1}The First Amendment isn't just about free speech, Jack. 687 00:25:24,470 --> 00:25:26,540 {\an1} It also protects religious practice. 688 00:25:26,580 --> 00:25:27,810 {\an1}And on that pretext, 689 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,110 {\an1} you'd turn a courtroom into Alice in Wonderland? 690 00:25:30,150 --> 00:25:31,380 {\an1}Oh, come on, Jack. 691 00:25:31,420 --> 00:25:34,020 {\an1}Don't you think that I realize what this sounds like? 692 00:25:34,050 --> 00:25:34,950 {\an1}Then why sign on? 693 00:25:34,990 --> 00:25:36,890 {\an1} I suggested ten other options. 694 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:38,960 {\an1}This was the only defense he would endorse. 695 00:25:38,990 --> 00:25:40,720 {\an1}And I believe he believes it. 696 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,790 {\an1}Then maybe you need a 730 exam. 697 00:25:43,830 --> 00:25:46,500 {\an1}Look, a jury may laugh this out of the courtroom, 698 00:25:46,530 --> 00:25:48,630 {\an1}but you have to allow the argument. 699 00:25:48,670 --> 00:25:50,330 {\an1} The minute you start challenging its veracity, 700 00:25:50,370 --> 00:25:53,670 {\an1} you're--you're making dangerous value judgments. 701 00:25:53,700 --> 00:25:56,010 {\an1}If faith is an excuse for murder, 702 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:57,770 {\an1}then let's just give a free pass 703 00:25:57,810 --> 00:25:59,210 {\an1}to Osama Bin Laden. 704 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,040 {\an1} It is not the government's place 705 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,880 {\an1}to tell people what they can and cannot believe. 706 00:26:03,910 --> 00:26:07,720 {\an1}But you're not protecting Jacob Reese's religious choice. 707 00:26:07,750 --> 00:26:09,750 {\an1}You're helping him hide behind it. 708 00:26:09,790 --> 00:26:11,620 {\an1}Maybe it's self-delusion on his part. 709 00:26:11,660 --> 00:26:13,360 {\an1}Or maybe it's faith. 710 00:26:13,390 --> 00:26:14,730 {\an1}Or maybe it doesn't have anything to do 711 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:15,990 {\an1}with religious principle at all, 712 00:26:16,030 --> 00:26:17,160 {\an1}and the man just snapped. 713 00:26:17,190 --> 00:26:19,630 {\an1}So let's call it what it is-- 714 00:26:19,660 --> 00:26:20,660 {\an1}a Hail Mary. 715 00:26:20,700 --> 00:26:22,430 {\an1}You know, 716 00:26:22,470 --> 00:26:24,340 {\an1}not everybody thinks this is such a joke. 717 00:26:24,370 --> 00:26:26,340 {\an1}Tomorrow's Daily News just hit the stands. 718 00:26:26,370 --> 00:26:28,170 {\an1}(McCoy) Hmm. 719 00:26:29,110 --> 00:26:31,540 {\an1} Good night and God bless, Jack. 720 00:26:43,990 --> 00:26:45,720 {\an1} to argue faith instead of the facts." 721 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,290 {\an1} Got to admit, it's pretty savvy. 722 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:48,790 {\an1}And Judge Glover should be removed 723 00:26:48,830 --> 00:26:51,330 {\an1}from the bench for allowing it. 724 00:26:51,360 --> 00:26:53,500 {\an1} But she didn't, and it's up to us to stop it. 725 00:26:53,530 --> 00:26:56,100 {\an1} Well, why don't we just attack it in front of the jury 726 00:26:56,130 --> 00:26:58,540 {\an1} instead of challenging Reese's competency? 727 00:26:58,570 --> 00:27:00,800 {\an1}Because if Reese sincerely thinks 728 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,410 {\an1} that God was gonna strike his daughter dead, 729 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,180 {\an1}I'm not sure he is actually fit to stand trial. 730 00:27:06,210 --> 00:27:08,140 {\an1}Yeah, but we come off saying that he's crazy 731 00:27:08,180 --> 00:27:10,210 {\an1}because he literally believes in biblical retribution-- 732 00:27:10,250 --> 00:27:11,820 {\an1}that plays right into Melnick's hands. 733 00:27:11,850 --> 00:27:13,280 {\an1}(Branch) Does it? 734 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,420 {\an1}I'd think people of faith would resent the fact 735 00:27:15,450 --> 00:27:17,550 {\an1}that this guy's trying to hide behind religion. 736 00:27:17,590 --> 00:27:19,560 {\an1} (McCoy) And as far as we know, 737 00:27:19,590 --> 00:27:20,960 {\an1}Reese really killed Charles Nash 738 00:27:20,990 --> 00:27:23,330 {\an1}because he was having sex with his daughter. 739 00:27:23,360 --> 00:27:25,330 {\an1}I haven't found anything to support that. 740 00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:27,100 {\an1}As far as I can tell, the rumors about Nash 741 00:27:27,130 --> 00:27:29,230 {\an1}were started by Reese and this parents' group. 742 00:27:29,270 --> 00:27:31,740 {\an1}Well, even if they were true, Reese can still claim 743 00:27:31,770 --> 00:27:33,900 {\an1}he's protecting the girl from God's vengeance. 744 00:27:33,940 --> 00:27:36,740 {\an1} (McCoy) That's why I'm not backing down. 745 00:27:36,770 --> 00:27:38,410 {\an1}If we win on the 730 issue, 746 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,840 {\an1}Danielle will be forced to withdraw the defense. 747 00:27:44,350 --> 00:27:46,020 {\an1} (Reese) After my wife died, 748 00:27:46,050 --> 00:27:48,020 {\an1}I was born again through Christ. 749 00:27:48,050 --> 00:27:52,390 {\an1}I had a religious awakening, not a psychotic break. 750 00:27:52,420 --> 00:27:54,660 {\an1} But tell me-- you did kill Charles Nash. 751 00:27:54,690 --> 00:27:55,860 {\an1}I had no choice. 752 00:27:55,890 --> 00:27:57,590 {\an1} He was leading my daughter astray, 753 00:27:57,630 --> 00:27:58,830 {\an1}destroying her faith. 754 00:27:58,860 --> 00:28:00,700 {\an1} (Melnick) Why didn't you just put her 755 00:28:00,730 --> 00:28:01,930 {\an1}in a different school? 756 00:28:01,970 --> 00:28:03,800 {\an1} I'd already spent my entire life savings 757 00:28:03,830 --> 00:28:06,070 {\an1} to get Mary into this Christian school 758 00:28:06,100 --> 00:28:08,040 {\an1} where she'd be safe from Godless theories. 759 00:28:08,070 --> 00:28:10,240 {\an1} When I found out what Nash was teaching her, 760 00:28:10,270 --> 00:28:11,810 {\an1}I joined a parents' group, 761 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:13,210 {\an1}we complained. 762 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,150 {\an1}But the administration wouldn't even consider firing him. 763 00:28:16,180 --> 00:28:18,080 {\an1}And when that didn't work? 764 00:28:18,110 --> 00:28:19,650 {\an1} I met with Nash, and I begged him to stop. 765 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:20,780 {\an1}He said he wouldn't. 766 00:28:20,820 --> 00:28:24,220 {\an1}That he'd keep trying to convince Mary 767 00:28:24,250 --> 00:28:27,290 {\an1}that Darwin was right and the Bible was wrong. 768 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:28,660 {\an1}(Melnick) And what did you think would happen 769 00:28:28,690 --> 00:28:30,630 {\an1}if Mary lost her faith? 770 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,900 {\an1}She'd be hurt somehow. 771 00:28:35,930 --> 00:28:38,170 {\an1}Maybe even die. 772 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,240 {\an1}Why did you believe that? 773 00:28:40,270 --> 00:28:44,240 {\an1}"He who believes in the Son has eternal life. 774 00:28:44,270 --> 00:28:46,680 {\an1}"But he who does not obey the Son 775 00:28:46,710 --> 00:28:47,980 {\an1}"will not see life; 776 00:28:48,010 --> 00:28:50,210 {\an1}but the wrath of God abides on him." 777 00:28:50,250 --> 00:28:54,220 {\an1}John 3:36. 778 00:28:54,250 --> 00:28:56,250 {\an1}God could have punished Mary's lack of fait 779 00:28:56,290 --> 00:28:57,790 {\an1}at any moment. 780 00:28:57,820 --> 00:29:01,160 {\an1}And you do understand what you're doing here, 781 00:29:01,190 --> 00:29:04,160 {\an1}why you're going to be put on trial? 782 00:29:04,190 --> 00:29:07,100 {\an1}I took a life, and for that, I'll always be sorry. 783 00:29:07,130 --> 00:29:09,300 {\an1} But I believe it was the only way 784 00:29:09,330 --> 00:29:11,030 {\an1}to protect my daughter. 785 00:29:16,740 --> 00:29:18,780 {\an1}I'm a lapsed Catholic, Mr. Reese. 786 00:29:18,810 --> 00:29:21,580 {\an1} Care to explain why I haven't burst into flames? 787 00:29:21,610 --> 00:29:23,310 {\an1}Objection, Your Honor. 788 00:29:23,350 --> 00:29:24,980 {\an1}Goes to competency, Judge. 789 00:29:25,020 --> 00:29:27,320 {\an1}Logical inconsistencies 790 00:29:27,350 --> 00:29:29,220 {\an1}are evidence of the magical thinking 791 00:29:29,250 --> 00:29:32,420 {\an1}associated with many forms of schizophrenia. 792 00:29:32,460 --> 00:29:33,390 {\an1}Fine, Counselor. 793 00:29:33,420 --> 00:29:35,290 {\an1} Let's try it without the sarcasm. 794 00:29:37,490 --> 00:29:42,300 {\an1}Since God has allowed millions of nonbelievers to live, 795 00:29:42,330 --> 00:29:44,600 {\an1}Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs, 796 00:29:44,630 --> 00:29:46,100 {\an1}what made you so certain 797 00:29:46,140 --> 00:29:47,870 {\an1}that he was going to hurt your daughter? 798 00:29:47,900 --> 00:29:49,710 {\an1}He wrote warnings in the Bible 799 00:29:49,740 --> 00:29:51,110 {\an1}for everyone to read. 800 00:29:51,140 --> 00:29:53,680 {\an1}But you, personally-- 801 00:29:53,710 --> 00:29:55,510 {\an1}did you ever hear a voice, 802 00:29:55,550 --> 00:29:56,580 {\an1}have a vision? 803 00:29:56,610 --> 00:29:57,580 {\an1}No. 804 00:29:57,610 --> 00:29:59,180 {\an1}Not even on the night 805 00:29:59,220 --> 00:30:00,680 {\an1}that you killed Mr. Nash? 806 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,790 {\an1}I don't hallucinate. 807 00:30:02,820 --> 00:30:06,620 {\an1}Then how did you know Mary would be hurt? 808 00:30:06,660 --> 00:30:08,420 {\an1}Because I'd seen it before. 809 00:30:12,630 --> 00:30:15,700 {\an1}My wife... 810 00:30:15,730 --> 00:30:18,700 {\an1}committed adultery. 811 00:30:18,740 --> 00:30:19,740 {\an1}One week later, 812 00:30:19,770 --> 00:30:21,570 {\an1}she was diagnosed with leukemia 813 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,240 {\an1}and given six months to live. 814 00:30:24,270 --> 00:30:26,080 {\an1}She was dead in two. 815 00:30:26,110 --> 00:30:29,610 {\an1} And you see these two unconnected events 816 00:30:29,650 --> 00:30:31,820 {\an1}as a sign from God. 817 00:30:33,550 --> 00:30:35,220 {\an1}[sighs] 818 00:30:35,250 --> 00:30:37,720 {\an1} AIDS doesn't target homosexuals and fornicators 819 00:30:37,750 --> 00:30:39,560 {\an1}by sheer dumb luck. 820 00:30:39,590 --> 00:30:41,930 {\an1} Hurricane Katrina didn't wipe out New Orleans 821 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:43,460 {\an1}by chance. 822 00:30:43,490 --> 00:30:45,030 {\an1} (McCoy) You feared that a hurricane 823 00:30:45,060 --> 00:30:46,560 {\an1}might strike your daughter, Mr. Reese. 824 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:47,930 {\an1}Of course not. 825 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,630 {\an1} But she could fall ill, get hit by a stray bullet. 826 00:30:50,670 --> 00:30:52,340 {\an1}Get run over by a car. 827 00:30:52,370 --> 00:30:54,570 {\an1}These things happen every day, Mr. McCoy. 828 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,070 {\an1}I believe they happen for a reason. 829 00:30:57,110 --> 00:30:58,710 {\an1}And despite the million ways 830 00:30:58,740 --> 00:31:00,540 {\an1}you could have dealt with this situation, 831 00:31:00,580 --> 00:31:04,350 {\an1} you believed bashing in Charles Nash's skull 832 00:31:04,380 --> 00:31:07,850 {\an1} was the only way to stop a stray bullet 833 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:09,920 {\an1}from striking your daughter. 834 00:31:09,950 --> 00:31:12,060 {\an1}Can you prove that it wasn't? 835 00:31:13,460 --> 00:31:15,060 {\an1}The fact that I believe this 836 00:31:15,090 --> 00:31:17,060 {\an1}doesn't make me crazy, Mr. McCoy. 837 00:31:17,090 --> 00:31:18,700 {\an1}It makes me a Christian. 838 00:31:23,500 --> 00:31:24,700 {\an1}I had a really hard time 839 00:31:24,730 --> 00:31:27,370 {\an1} after my mom died last year. 840 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,340 {\an1}But my dad made sure I went to school, 841 00:31:30,370 --> 00:31:33,510 {\an1} and he got us both counseling through our church. 842 00:31:33,540 --> 00:31:36,750 {\an1}And how did your father deal with his grief? 843 00:31:36,780 --> 00:31:39,320 {\an1}Well, he cried a lot. 844 00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:40,620 {\an1}And prayed. 845 00:31:40,650 --> 00:31:43,790 {\an1} I guess that's when he got more religious. 846 00:31:43,820 --> 00:31:46,220 {\an1}And how did that affect his life, Mary? 847 00:31:46,260 --> 00:31:49,030 {\an1}Well, he became a better dad. 848 00:31:49,060 --> 00:31:51,630 {\an1}He went into business for himself 849 00:31:51,660 --> 00:31:54,260 {\an1}so he could spend more time with me. 850 00:31:54,300 --> 00:31:55,630 {\an1}And how about recently? 851 00:31:55,670 --> 00:31:57,670 {\an1}Does your dad ever say or do anything 852 00:31:57,700 --> 00:32:00,100 {\an1}that you might consider strange? 853 00:32:00,140 --> 00:32:02,910 {\an1} Does he seem like he doesn't know where he is? 854 00:32:02,940 --> 00:32:04,340 {\an1}Never. 855 00:32:04,370 --> 00:32:05,680 {\an1}Has he ever given any indication 856 00:32:05,710 --> 00:32:07,380 {\an1}that he doesn't understand what's going on? 857 00:32:08,980 --> 00:32:10,110 {\an1}No. 858 00:32:10,150 --> 00:32:12,020 {\an1}Thank you. 859 00:32:13,950 --> 00:32:16,790 {\an1}How many times a day does your father pray, 860 00:32:16,820 --> 00:32:17,820 {\an1}Miss Reese? 861 00:32:17,850 --> 00:32:21,260 {\an1} Before or after my mom died? 862 00:32:21,290 --> 00:32:23,060 {\an1}Both. 863 00:32:23,090 --> 00:32:25,090 {\an1}Well... 864 00:32:25,130 --> 00:32:28,200 {\an1} before, we just went to church on Sundays. 865 00:32:28,230 --> 00:32:31,430 {\an1} But after, he would read from the Bible every night. 866 00:32:31,470 --> 00:32:33,340 {\an1} And he made me do it too. 867 00:32:33,370 --> 00:32:35,040 {\an1} You didn't want to join him? 868 00:32:35,070 --> 00:32:36,440 {\an1}No, I did. 869 00:32:40,580 --> 00:32:44,080 {\an1}You testified that your father never said anything strange. 870 00:32:44,110 --> 00:32:47,020 {\an1}This is an email that he sent you 871 00:32:47,050 --> 00:32:48,350 {\an1}two weeks before the murder. 872 00:32:48,380 --> 00:32:51,350 {\an1}Please read the highlighted portion. 873 00:32:58,860 --> 00:33:02,100 {\an1}"Demons surround you at all times, Mary, 874 00:33:02,130 --> 00:33:05,330 {\an1}"waiting to drag you into sin. 875 00:33:05,370 --> 00:33:07,940 {\an1}"A single misstep could send you 876 00:33:07,970 --> 00:33:10,370 {\an1} into the same hellfire that burned your mother." 877 00:33:10,410 --> 00:33:11,870 {\an1}Demons and hellfire-- 878 00:33:11,910 --> 00:33:13,910 {\an1}none of that sounds strange to you? 879 00:33:13,940 --> 00:33:16,850 {\an1}He's really religious, okay? 880 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,120 {\an1}But he's not insane. 881 00:33:19,150 --> 00:33:21,750 {\an1} (McCoy) How about the night 882 00:33:21,780 --> 00:33:23,890 {\an1}that he killed Mr. Nash? 883 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,590 {\an1} Did your father seem normal then? 884 00:33:26,620 --> 00:33:28,330 {\an1}Yeah. 885 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:29,630 {\an1}He just got upset. 886 00:33:29,660 --> 00:33:31,230 {\an1}About what? 887 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,300 {\an1} Well, when I got home from my appointment 888 00:33:36,330 --> 00:33:38,230 {\an1}with my guidance counselor, 889 00:33:38,270 --> 00:33:42,010 {\an1}I told him what Mr. Nash said in school that day, 890 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,170 {\an1}and that because of Mr. Nash, 891 00:33:44,210 --> 00:33:46,810 {\an1} I was starting to question my faith. 892 00:33:48,610 --> 00:33:50,910 {\an1}How upset did your father get, 893 00:33:50,950 --> 00:33:52,220 {\an1}Miss Reese? 894 00:33:55,590 --> 00:33:58,190 {\an1}Well, he got pretty mad. 895 00:33:58,220 --> 00:34:01,220 {\an1}But it's not like he lost his mind. 896 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,230 {\an1}I know you don't understand this, 897 00:34:04,260 --> 00:34:04,890 {\an1}but I'm telling you, he's not crazy. 898 00:34:12,340 --> 00:34:15,170 {\an1} (McCoyDr. Olivet Dhasn't written her report, 899 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,440 {\an1}but she thinks that he is a fervently religious man 900 00:34:18,470 --> 00:34:20,580 {\an1}who is clearly competent to stand trial. 901 00:34:20,610 --> 00:34:22,350 {\an1}I don't doubt his fervor. 902 00:34:22,380 --> 00:34:25,150 {\an1}You know, Mary Reese may have given us a gift in there. 903 00:34:25,180 --> 00:34:27,550 {\an1} She testified that she went to see her guidance counselor 904 00:34:27,580 --> 00:34:29,050 {\an1}the day of the murder. 905 00:34:29,090 --> 00:34:30,590 {\an1}But the counselor told me 906 00:34:30,620 --> 00:34:32,090 {\an1}she stopped going months before that. 907 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:33,990 {\an1}Thornton got his dates confused. 908 00:34:34,020 --> 00:34:36,330 {\an1}We'll check him out. 909 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,860 {\an1}I'm sorry, I've already told you everything I know. 910 00:34:38,900 --> 00:34:41,630 {\an1}I'm not so sure that's true, Mr. Thornton. 911 00:34:41,660 --> 00:34:44,730 {\an1}What was the nature of your relationship with Mary Reese? 912 00:34:44,770 --> 00:34:46,370 {\an1}I'm her guidance counselor. 913 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:47,340 {\an1}Really? 914 00:34:47,370 --> 00:34:48,640 {\an1}Because the doorman at your building 915 00:34:48,670 --> 00:34:50,540 {\an1}said Mary was getting a lot of guidance in your apartment. 916 00:34:50,570 --> 00:34:52,780 {\an1} I don't know what you're talking about. 917 00:34:52,810 --> 00:34:54,180 {\an1}Statutory rape. 918 00:34:54,210 --> 00:34:56,780 {\an1} Nash was the one having sex with Mary. 919 00:34:56,810 --> 00:34:58,350 {\an1}She came to me for counseling. 920 00:34:58,380 --> 00:34:59,820 {\an1} (Rubirosa) We did some checking. 921 00:34:59,850 --> 00:35:01,420 {\an1}Three days before the murder, 922 00:35:01,450 --> 00:35:03,920 {\an1}you shelled out $200 to the Westside Women's Center. 923 00:35:03,950 --> 00:35:06,090 {\an1}We're guessing you weren't the one who needed a gynecologist. 924 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,090 {\an1}Mary was there because of Nash. 925 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:09,560 {\an1}I was just helping her. 926 00:35:09,590 --> 00:35:10,990 {\an1}I'm sure you were. 927 00:35:11,030 --> 00:35:12,100 {\an1}You were both taking 928 00:35:12,130 --> 00:35:14,500 {\an1}identical doses of antibiotics. 929 00:35:17,430 --> 00:35:20,870 {\an1}Please... 930 00:35:20,900 --> 00:35:23,710 {\an1} I swear I never did anything like this before. 931 00:35:23,740 --> 00:35:25,840 {\an1}Tell us what happened. 932 00:35:29,710 --> 00:35:31,850 {\an1}Mary's father was really messing her up 933 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:33,580 {\an1}with all the religion. 934 00:35:35,020 --> 00:35:36,950 {\an1}After she lost her mom, Mary needed a father, 935 00:35:36,990 --> 00:35:40,220 {\an1}but Jacob just withdrew into his Bible. 936 00:35:40,260 --> 00:35:42,530 {\an1} I was the only person who really listened 937 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,560 {\an1}to how Mary was feeling. 938 00:35:44,590 --> 00:35:46,700 {\an1}And then you took advantage of her trust. 939 00:35:49,970 --> 00:35:51,270 {\an1}I made a mistake. 940 00:35:51,300 --> 00:35:54,140 {\an1} One day, I let it go to a place 941 00:35:54,170 --> 00:35:56,170 {\an1}that I shouldn't have. 942 00:35:57,610 --> 00:35:58,940 {\an1}I'm sorry. 943 00:36:02,610 --> 00:36:04,910 {\an1}Mary, can we have a word with you? 944 00:36:04,950 --> 00:36:06,850 {\an1}I'm not supposed to talk to you. 945 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:08,180 {\an1}Walk away if you want to, 946 00:36:08,220 --> 00:36:10,590 {\an1} or maybe you just want to stop and listen. 947 00:36:10,620 --> 00:36:12,590 {\an1}The day Charles Nash was murdered, 948 00:36:12,620 --> 00:36:14,760 {\an1}you were diagnosed with chlamydia. 949 00:36:18,330 --> 00:36:20,200 {\an1} Luke Thornton has agreed to testify 950 00:36:20,230 --> 00:36:21,660 {\an1}at your father's trial 951 00:36:21,700 --> 00:36:23,530 {\an1}if we agree not to prosecute him 952 00:36:23,570 --> 00:36:24,930 {\an1}for having sex with you. 953 00:36:24,970 --> 00:36:27,470 {\an1}We can prove that you lied under oath, Mary. 954 00:36:27,500 --> 00:36:29,970 {\an1}You could go to juvenile detention. 955 00:36:30,010 --> 00:36:31,310 {\an1}Good. 956 00:36:31,340 --> 00:36:34,180 {\an1}I'll need somewhere to live after you lock my dad up. 957 00:36:34,210 --> 00:36:35,480 {\an1}This isn't a joke. 958 00:36:35,510 --> 00:36:37,910 {\an1}There are serious consequences to your actions. 959 00:36:37,950 --> 00:36:39,750 {\an1} You think I don't know that? 960 00:36:39,780 --> 00:36:42,020 {\an1}A year of fire and brimstone. 961 00:36:42,050 --> 00:36:43,950 {\an1}You guys think I don't wake up every morning 962 00:36:43,990 --> 00:36:46,190 {\an1}knowing that I'm going to hell? 963 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,900 {\an1}What is my daughter doing here? 964 00:36:54,930 --> 00:36:57,300 {\an1}Maybe you should ask her. 965 00:36:57,330 --> 00:37:00,240 {\an1}Do you really want your father 966 00:37:00,270 --> 00:37:02,540 {\an1}to spend the rest of his life in prison 967 00:37:02,570 --> 00:37:04,110 {\an1}without knowing the truth? 968 00:37:06,140 --> 00:37:07,580 {\an1}Okay. 969 00:37:07,610 --> 00:37:09,180 {\an1}Enough games. 970 00:37:09,210 --> 00:37:11,250 {\an1}What do you got, Jack? 971 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,380 {\an1}Your client won't believe it coming from me. 972 00:37:14,420 --> 00:37:17,350 {\an1}He needs to hear it from his daughter. 973 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,560 {\an1}What are they talking about? 974 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:22,990 {\an1} Nothing. I don't know. 975 00:37:23,030 --> 00:37:24,930 {\an1}Don't lie to me! 976 00:37:27,330 --> 00:37:29,770 {\an1} (McCoy) If your daughter 977 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,100 {\an1}refuses to tell the truth, 978 00:37:32,140 --> 00:37:35,110 {\an1} we'll have no choice but to prosecute her for perjury 979 00:37:35,140 --> 00:37:38,110 {\an1}and as an accessory for murder. 980 00:37:38,140 --> 00:37:39,710 {\an1} Accessory? Based on what? 981 00:37:39,740 --> 00:37:42,010 {\an1}Mary had nothing to do with this. 982 00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,810 {\an1} I went after Nash because he was teaching her evolution. 983 00:37:44,850 --> 00:37:47,820 {\an1}She wasn't only learning about evolution. 984 00:37:57,490 --> 00:37:59,560 {\an1}Jacob, you'd better tell me what's going on, 985 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,800 {\an1}or you're looking for a new lawyer. 986 00:38:09,270 --> 00:38:11,210 {\an1}This doesn't change anything. 987 00:38:11,240 --> 00:38:13,640 {\an1} Her disease was just the beginning of God's wrath. 988 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,380 {\an1}(McCoy) You can make that transparent argument 989 00:38:16,410 --> 00:38:18,310 {\an1}in court, Mr. Reese. 990 00:38:18,350 --> 00:38:21,850 {\an1}But the only thing the jury will see 991 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:23,590 {\an1}is that you killed a man 992 00:38:23,620 --> 00:38:26,020 {\an1}because he was having sex with your daughter. 993 00:38:26,060 --> 00:38:29,190 {\an1} Nash. Nash led her into sin. 994 00:38:29,230 --> 00:38:33,060 {\an1}Charles Nash never had sex with your daughter, Mr. Reese. 995 00:38:34,930 --> 00:38:37,000 {\an1}Did he, Mary? 996 00:38:40,170 --> 00:38:41,700 {\an1}Mary. 997 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,680 {\an1}When you found the pills, 998 00:38:47,710 --> 00:38:50,150 {\an1}you just go so mad. 999 00:38:50,180 --> 00:38:51,680 {\an1} And you kept screaming at me 1000 00:38:51,710 --> 00:38:53,480 {\an1}that I was gonna burn in hell 1001 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,690 {\an1} and asking who desecrated me. 1002 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:03,630 {\an1}I just said the first name that I could think of. 1003 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:11,030 {\an1} And I didn't want to get Mr. Thornton in trouble. 1004 00:39:16,870 --> 00:39:18,910 {\an1}You told me it was Nash. 1005 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:39,030 {\an1}I was... 1006 00:39:41,830 --> 00:39:44,130 {\an1} I was just trying to protect my daughter. 1007 00:39:44,170 --> 00:39:46,770 {\an1}So you broke the fifth commandment. 1008 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,970 {\an1}You not only killed, 1009 00:39:49,010 --> 00:39:51,570 {\an1}you killed the wrong man. 1010 00:39:57,910 --> 00:39:59,680 {\an1}Please... 1011 00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,720 {\an1} I don't want Mary to be punished for this. 1012 00:40:03,750 --> 00:40:07,490 {\an1}Then plead to all the charges. 1013 00:40:32,150 --> 00:40:34,380 {\an1} So what kind of sentence are you looking for, Jack? 1014 00:40:34,420 --> 00:40:36,690 {\an1}Murder, burning down a church to cover it up-- 1015 00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:38,090 {\an1}25 to life. 1016 00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:39,820 {\an1}Well, that's a long time. 1017 00:40:39,860 --> 00:40:42,260 {\an1}You were manipulated, Danielle. 1018 00:40:42,290 --> 00:40:44,530 {\an1}It was the right principle, Jack, just the wrong client. 1019 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,330 {\an1}I'll take that as a confession of error. 1020 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,430 {\an1} How long has it been since your last confession? 1021 00:40:49,470 --> 00:40:52,940 {\an1}I won't be doing any penance for Jacob Reese. 1022 00:40:52,970 --> 00:40:56,110 {\an1}"Happy is the man who brings justice to the oppressed." 1023 00:40:56,140 --> 00:40:58,210 {\an1}Isaiah. 1024 00:40:59,810 --> 00:41:01,140 {\an1}See you around, Jack. 1025 00:41:10,450 --> 00:41:12,720 {\an1} Captioning by CaptionMax www.captionmax.com